An important thing to note about this next scene at Bette 2020 HQ is that Bette and Dani are wearing the same colors — but reversed.
Now tomorrow I would like us both to wear grey flannel powersuits with dark red silk shirts underneath, okay?
Secondly, Dani’s a real think-two-steps-ahead girl and she’s gone ahead and set up a mediation session with Felicity to get out ahead of the story and, hopefully, let all of us here at home into the story. Pierce spars, Bette bows to Dani’s superior wisdom and requests Angie be removed from the premises prior to Felicity’s arrival.
Yes, I know “The Morning Show” was supposed to be Apple TV’s big program but trust me, Dickinson is the real gem
Dani asks what else in Bette’s past might come up throughout her campaign. Oh boy.
Bette: Well, I spent a night in jail. Civil disobedience, the charges were dropped. (Throwback #8: S1)
Dani: Okay.
Bette: I cheated on my ex-wife. (Throwback #9: S1)
Dani: Does she know you were unfaithful?
Bette: [laughs] Yes, she knows.
It is TRULY as if nobody in this office has read or seen Lez Girls!
But before you download the eBook I need to be clear that Candace was a carpenter, NOT a plumber
And now it’s time, my friends. It’s time for the line that broke my heart and directly attacked my soul. After seeing this screener, I waited approximately 45 seconds before spilling the beans to everybody who answered affirmatively to CAN I TELL U A THING FROM GEN Q EVEN THOUGH IT’S A SPOILER?? Here we go:
Dani: Anything else?
Bette: A friend of mine died by suicide on my property. She drowned in my pool. (Throwback #10: S6)
Dani: Her name?
Bette: Jenny Schecter. S-C-H-E-C-T-E-R.
Wow, I hate this!!! I understand why they’re doing it but I wanted Season Six to be ignored because it was terrible and didn’t make sense! My feelings about the ridiculousness of Season Six and the Who Killed Jenny storyline are MANY and well-documented, but I’m as unconvinced that Jenny killed herself as I was that any of these women could’ve been her murderer. But! maybe it was an accident ’cause the railing hadn’t been built yet and they declared it suicide to avoid a lawsuit from Warren and Margot Kidder? I’m grasping for soggy cardboard straws here.
Back at The Aloce Show, Drew’s just here to help and Sophie doesn’t give a fuck about him or anything that he does! Finley directs him to his office, but in the wrong direction. Hopefully he’ll fall down a garbage chute and land in a bucket of pudding.
Hey could you point me in the direction of the little boy’s room?
Just head right down the hallway, open the window, and it’s right below you
Sophie ignores Dani’s call and expresses a need for alcohol. Finley eagerly offers herself because she loves alcohol but Sophie is like nah I’m gonna ask my sister.
“No worries,” replies Finley with all the affability of a Boston Terrier. “I’ll hydrate. all good here.”
Dashing through the house, on a one-horsed desert sleigh, this kid’s about to puke and apparently every toilet and garbage can has been airlifted from set and all Alice can find is a crock pot and they’re screaming all the way!
I’m running every diagnostic we got! Checking each line of code could take days!
I’m not interested in excuses. Fix it!
It’s not an excuse sir, it’s a FRAKKING FACT!
Eli barfs in the crock pot. Eli wants his Mommy and Alice wants her Mommi. Shane, historically Very Good With Kids, delivers reassurances to Eli that Alice goes ahead and repeats. Shane’s like, Alice stop it. She’s like, I do not know what I am doing with this child! Thus they bundle him up on the couch where he can vomit all over his favorite blanket.
Sometimes, at night, it’s good to slip a softly playing iPod of Melissa Etheridge’s late-90s bangers right next to a child’s pillow to increase the chances they’ll grow up gay.
Alice is like, how do you do this. Shane’s like, kids are just people. Alice says they’re not, they’re too small. Alice says Shane should’ve reproduced with her wife Quinara and she’s surprised that Quinara didn’t convince Shane to have a Little Baby Pickle and/or Shay. Shane’s generally been pretty easily convinced to do things she doesn’t wanna do by her partners, although Shane also generally has agreed to said things and then found a way out of them, like wanting to marry Carmen and then leaving Carmen at the altar and wanting to move in with Paige and then fucking a real estate agent on the wall-to-wall carpet of their prospective future home. Maybe this is the New Shane: just saying no instead of saying yes and then doing something terrible.
The feeling of waiting for someone you’ve got an unyielding crush on AND complicated feelings about is intense. It’s like there’s something soft battling something hard in your gut but nobody’s winning and it’s just complete full-body agony. You know what I mean? Bette knows what I mean.
Do you… know… where ….. the restroom is???
Lord have mercy they fit Judy Chicago and Felicity Adams into the same damn frame let me LIVE
Because that is how Bette looks like she feels when Felicity walks by her glass house while she’s on the phone with Alice talking about putting babies in crock pots and creative solutions to vomit problems.
Meanwhile, Dani’s adorable family has come over to drink wine and eat dinner and laugh and scream and exude generally radiant love-type feelings. So this is Sophie’s Mom, Nana (Laura Patalano) and her sisters Virginia (Sofie Calderón) and Maribel (Jillian Mercado). Jillian Mercado, who uses a wheelchair, is a really incredible model/activist who came out as queer this weekend and this is her first acting role!
And I was like absolutely NOT sir I will NOT be opening this email from Dwell magazine about 13 Prefab Cabins You Can Buy Right Now
The fam has lots of questions: Is she gonna wear a white suit? What’s she gonna do with her hair? What’s everybody gonna do with their hair? Sophie can’t think about her hair or the suit her family wants her to get or what Maribel is gonna do with her hair or what Tia Nancy wore to her wedding ’cause she’s scared Dani’s gonna keep making decisions without her.
We’re ready for our Junior Mints now!
Her sisters, who are VERY excited about the wedding she’s about to have with a Certified Rich Person, suggest she waits ’til after the wedding to sort out decision-making. If it doesn’t work, she can always get divorced! Then she’ll be a divorced person, which is better than being a single person, because a divorced person has a KitchenAid mixer and a single person never got one. I guess that depends on who got to keep the KitchenAid mixer. We all die alone in the end.
Finley’s been building furniture in Shane’s absence!
Oh shit—
Did you….
I MADE YOU A SEX BENCH
Also, Finley stole them some toilet paper from work and wants Shane to go out and get drinks with her. “I’ll buy,” says Finley before clarifying that she will absolutely under no condition actually buy.
It’s actually an exact replica of Ashley Benson and Cara Delevingne’s sex bench and I think I did a PRETTY good job, you could try having sex on it if you want but no pressure!
Shane’s definitely a no on going out ’til she notices the envelope on the counter that Finley helpfully signed for (“so technically that’s two ways I’m contributing”). She opens it and finds divorce papers tucked inside like a hot dog in a bun. On second thought: a drink sounds great! Finley needs to change into her nice pants but is THRILLED just like my dog Carol gets when it’s time for her to go out and I want to put her in her Adidog pants.
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I haven’t been able to watch this episode yet because Canada, but I’ve decided this is my wishlist for the reboot, in no particular order:
1. For Jamie Clayton to have a central, significant role and not just a token part
2. The Return of Rose Rollins
3. For all the characters to learn the difference between cheating and ethical non-monogamy so that everyone can make healthier relationship choices for themselves
Building off of this, I would also love there to be more fat characters & disabled characters with central, significant roles. I hope they change these things for season 2 (if they get one)!!
what is rose rollins doing!!! not one thing!! get her ON THE SHOW PEOPLE
It’s on Crave in Canada – about $10/month. And the episodes drop before they air on cable.
Yeah I have Crave :) but the eps dont turn up for me til Monday morning? Or at least the first one didn’t
Slouching towards your living room
God bless you for these recaps Riese! I love them. I have been an AS reader for years and registered for the first time just to say this. They are perfect, please keep it coming! I am also loving seeing queer ladies on the beat in the Vulture and AV Club recaps, and Drew and Analyssa on the podcast. It’s like a giant queer convo so good :-)
Oops rookie here, meant this for main thread
Love love the recaps (and format!)
I had a leftover third of a bottle of champagne and I decided to play a little game where I would drink every time a straight white man spoke. I was very pleasantly surprised by how few times I drank! Like I had to ditch the game because I wanted to finish the champagne …
I MADE YOU A SEX BENCH
The question is, who’s gonna stain it.
So far I’m kinda loving these truly wacky people.
HEY O
Thank you for your service, Riese. I also have a tip for my fellow Straddlers: Consider avoiding reading these Highly Excellent recaps while drinking any beverage that you do not wish to exit your body via your nostrils.
IT’S A CLEANSE!
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wow i hate alice this season????
why does she hate her life with this girlfriend so much??? i feel like if alice didn’t want to be with someone with kids she would probably have figured this out in the last couple of years?? the kids seem like a surprise every time. also this girlfriend’s entirely personality is “i have kids” briefly sprinkled with a dash of “i am also a therapist.”
I have to agree, Alice seems like she wants to be kidless.
Yeah! I’m really torn about this because I have a similar vibe with my friends kids like “I love you and I love your kids I’m just terribly awkward with them and don’t know what to do.” But Alice is leaning toward “I don’t know what do with your kids but I kinda don’t want to know anyway.” Just show me that she actually likes the kids and maybe I’ll buy it. Otherwise that relationship looks pretty doomed.
Half the time Alice is on screen I just shout “you don’t seem to want kids?!” like, shouldn’t she have thought about that before moving in with her partner who has kids???
My alternate take is that Alice entered this situation with clear willingness but literally no preparation- which means learning on the ground! However, girlfriend and other mom are already seasoned professionals and they aren’t giving her the space to do so, leaving her in a very shitty position. It’s hard to do your best when no one is expecting you to be any good and they don’t need you to be anyway.
I normally despise sunglass inside. But Alice in her yellow blazer and sunglasses, this is a level of Mommi energy I aspire to.
There are some representation issues (or lack thereof more accuractly) and seedings of possible storylines to fret about, but somehow, I really love the reboot.
I love Sophie and Micah and Finley. Currently on the fence about Dani; it is truly bananas to change jobs and presumably income level, without consulting your partner. That there is a big red flag.
I love Sophie’s family!! They are so pure and wonderful and real. I loved Jillian Mercado, she was wonderfully cast. I am so glad that they did not make Maribel’s defining character trait her disability. I also thought it was super real to briefly mention how their dad left after Maribel was born.
Once again this recap is everything I wanted and more. Plus, the captions!!!
Agree about changing job without consulting partner being a red flag (slash pretty unrealistic?). There wasn’t even any resolution to that.
Okay so I had a really bad week, and seeing that you took my suggestion about tracking throwbacks is making me unbelievably happy. I’m so glad you liked the idea!
So this is only the second season of the Aloce Show, and they bought the podcast, which means Alice was doing the podcast for like 10 years in total and was STILL CALLING IT A PODCAST IN THE YEAR OF OUR LORD 2017??
I am ready for Dani to Google Jenny S-C-H-E-C-T-E-R and discover Lez Girls and pass it around to all the new characters. Did the film ever get released? What did end up happening to the negatives?
Bette’s list of indiscretions definitely should’ve been way longer. “Kidnapped infant daughter,” anyone?
Is Jordi actually a homeless LGBTQ+ youth and hangs out at the center regardless of Bette coming? That’s my prediction.
Loved the contrast of Finley’s line about Sophie and Dani both wearing dresses versus Sophie’s family asking if she’s going to wear a white suit.
When will Finley find out Who Shane Is (to the lesbians of Los Angeles, I mean).
How does Finley afford all this TomboyX underwear? (Jk, she probably did what I did and got Iceland Air to reimburse her for it when they lost her suitcase for a week.)
Ooh that would be an interesting twist with Jordi. All I was thinking was how saying that your parents “just have different values” is probably the last thing you should tell someone’s mother whose shit list you may already be on because you and her daughter made bad decisions. 😂 I was thinking that saying they had a momentary lapse of judgement inspired by Angie’s stress over school might have been a better excuse. 😬
The answer to the question in caption #42 is yes, although “trying” isn’t really necessary since anatomy naturally makes it happen.
I’m still cackling about Bette telling Angie to “fucking cool it with the fucking f-bombs.”
see Alice, that’s how you parent.
I also thought the “girls like us” line was odd! Could it be that Tess was referring to Shane being poly and Tess is also poly? The way Lena talks about Tess being “really good with customers” but not with her could support that.
I’m glad we didn’t have to wait too long to get resolution for the Jenny storyline. Implausible as it may be.
Whatever the Thing is that is the reason Bette is running – and I do think it has to do with Kit – it’s weird that she wouldn’t disclose that to Dani along with everything else.
Love the recaps!
It’s weird that people don’t know if it was Kit! Kit was famous in-universe, no way it wasn’t all over if she died of an opioid overdose. Or at least easy to find via a quick google of Bette.
That’s true, good point!
I actually read the “girls like us” line as Tess mistakenly thinking Shane was also trans. I think the poly theory is interesting though!
Same I thought Tess thought Shane was trans because that was the only way I could figure out this weird line??? But Riese’s explanation of Tess meaning _queer_ women I guess makes sense.
tess and shane aren’t poly though (unless shane had that revelation and actually is in a poly relationship, my assumption is that she is in a monogamous marriage but they’re broken up right now) and that would be a weird thing to assume or to say in a bar? i don’t think “girls like us” has ever referred to polyamory, right? like she’s either talking about trans girls or queer girls. cuz also! boys and nb people can be poly too. why would tess want the whole bar to be filled with poly girls, especially bc poly girls can also be straight, you know?
if tess knows about shane already, she knows she’s not a trans woman SO SO SO in conclusion i’m like 99% confident she was referring to queer women cuz they talk about how she wants to turn it back into a lesbian bar!!!
“Whatever the Thing is that is the reason Bette is running – and I do think it has to do with Kit – it’s weird that she wouldn’t disclose that to Dani along with everything else.
HARD AGREE
This. So much.
The likely hurt underneath a cringe-y comment is real, but on a lighter note, this made me curious about “the pond of existential despair/hope known as Lesbian Wedding Instagram”…
Agreed the “girls like us” comment was weird coming from Jamie Clayton to Shane. At first I thought she maybe thought Shane was trans? But her other comments about Shane being famous doesn’t line up with this.
I am so disappointed with the Alice romance. I have always been team Alice and I just want her to be happy. Especially after that heartbreaking Tasha/Jamie/Alice love triangle that ended the OG run. This relationship doesn’t seem to have much in the way of shared values other than them clearly enjoying the sex.
Maybe I’m alone in this but my dislike for Kit was on par with my dislike for Tina and Jenny (circa season 6) so I would happily have her NOT return. They were great actresses all around… It’s not Pam Grier, Laurel Holloman, Mia Kirshner’s fault that their characters and characters’ storylines were actually (mostly) the worst.
I would looove it if it were Tina who had the opioid addiction though it sounds like that’s not the case. I would have a tough time believing it was Kit as she seemed to have a handle on her sobriety. I may be remembering poorly, but I thought they did a good job with her re: challenges and successes of sobriety.
I feel like I’m in the minority with this, but I love Finley and I love her friendship/mentorship/whatever with Shane.
But I’m also very sad for Shane. Can she just get a happy storyline for once?
It makes the most sense to me that Jenny killed herself. There’s no way any of them would have murdered her.
I also love Finley/Shane and their like, growing domestic partnership!!
I also love Finley and I’m in the minority in my watch-group. I think it may be because I LOVED Jacqueline Toboni as another hot lesbian in EASY? She’s an excellent actor.
haha! I too have been wondering if I like Finley more because I like Jaqueline Toboni and loved her in Easy
I do think that may help me have more patience for her, plus all the thus far not teased out references to her childhood/rejection from her parents, it indicates layers that we will get to see later on but right now she’s just getting way too drunk and trying to over compensate
I like Finley too. She’s goofy. My girlfriend hates her for some reason, but I don’t really get the hate.
Also Team Finley. She’s cute and sassy and vulnerable and trying to create a New Don Juanita for these roarin’ gay times.
i love finley and shane too! finley was on my list of favorite tv characters of 2019 and i love her dynamic with shane, it’s really funny.
I like Finley too and I think I like her because she’s so much like Shane yet their pain manifests itself differently. Shane’s always been moody and brooding, wearing her pain out in the open, never feeling worthy and only able to connect (or disconnect) through sex. Finley is the same except she hides hers behind that perpetually peppy goofy puppy-like eagerness.
i also really like finley and shane! i think it’s cute that they seem to be setting finley up as the younger version of shane this go-around, except far more clumsy and misguided. and i like the idea of them tapping into shane’s generally caring attitude toward other people and especially those needing mentorship. i hard-cringed at finley’s drinking and saying that she can’t have sex sober, and i feel so bad for her. but i think they’re setting that up to be something her relationship with shane helps her work through? i know, high aspirations for the l word, but it does seem like they’re trying to build in more room for some deeper character arcs this time around.
Damn it’s only a second episode, and I’ve already bought myself three power suits. Few more scenes with Dani and Bette and I’m gonna be the best power-dressed-but-also-completely-penniless lesbian in the neighbourhood (assuming I’ll still have a place to live after that splurge).
i am one episode away from buying sixteen jumpsuits
I had to stop my a+ membership due to financial reasons but hell, this show being back made me remember how freaking important this website was to me when I first saw the original.
Happy to be back!
HAPPY TO HAVE YOU BACK!!
I did not want this to end. Hilarious. Also, I especially loved this line: ‘“You make Nat really happy,” Gigi says. I can’t wait til we get to see that in action!’
They honestly have no chemistry/Alice seems to have no desire to be in this relationship?!
I’m shocked Drew’s name wasn’t Mark.
Josh. I was expecting Josh. I’d definitely accept Mark. Such bro names.
But Drew is one of us so BACK OFF !
we are really at record lows w/r/t mark visibility
Mark Summers is still on tv somewhere does that help?
am I the only person who really likes Nat and thinks Nat and Alice are kinda cute? I want way more of them…
I want to like them, I do, but Alice does not seem into it and I think they might be doomed. :\
Alice seems super weird in this relationship. Like she stumbled into it 5 minutes ago, relunctantly.
yeah so far i haven’t really felt like they have anything in common besides enjoying lesbian sex
yeah, i agree the timing (?) seems off. like, it doesn’t seem like they’ve been together two years…
still, i’m enjoying seeing a different side of alice, and i like nat.
Love these recaps!!
LOVE IS LOVE
Heyhoooo, if anyone has any suggestion as to how to watch this while not living in the US, please let me know ;) #nothingtoseehere #movealong
In Poland it’s surprisingly available on HBO GO, but I have no idea if that’s any help when it comes to other countries.
Canadian here. I started a free one week trial with Crave. Downloaded the app and that was that. After the week it’s $10/month.
I think Nat and Alice and Gigi are headed into a poly three way co-parenting nightmare and honestly I am SO HERE FOR IT
That would be soooooooo much more exciting than the Alice cheating on Nat with Gigi storyline i am anticipating
hard agree
Just some background on Bette choosing Judy Chicago for her office. The podcast didn’t really give her justice :) I thought it was a perfect choice. Chicago was the only major female artist that came up in LA’s golden age of artists in the 1960s. She wasn’t included in “The Cool School” of male artists who hung out a Barney’s Beanery with a sign that said “no f*gs allowed”. It’s 100% on brand that Bette would idolize her work. She’s going through a major revival and has had a few shows this year in the city. She literally started the entire school of the Feminist Art Program and Woman House, a legendary art space where every room was a different contemporary female artist in the early 70s. I love that Bette shared this little piece of LA history and culture with Dani
I loved it too! it was perfect!
also i asked marja about it because i know ilene chaiken was a big art person and that’s how they seamlessly integrated all of those art references. marja was like “my art knowledge begins and ends with judy chicago” because she wrote a thing about her at some point, i think. but there’s another artist in the writers room who’s gonna get more art references into the show!
It’s also perfectly Bette “real trans ally” Porter to talk about how inspiring Chicago’s “The Dinner Party” is, despite that work totally ignoring the existance of trans women.
This is awesome. Thank you for sharing this wonderful information about Judy Chicago
Came for the discourse on the Aloce Show, stayed for the Battlestar references
Meanwhile, as soon as Bette Porter started Bettesplaining art I wanted to mute my television.
Separately, I’m having the hardest time suspending my disbelief re: Jacqueline Toboni NOT being an extremely Shane-level hot commodity?!
I think the writers were very conscious of not wanting Shane 2.0, which is why they’re making her the complete opposite of Shane in almost every way. (To me, the same goes for all the characters and their would-be comparisons.)
yeah i think arika is spot on like… they’re trying to make the new people distinct from the old in very specific ways… like they seem similar on the surface but are very different once you get into it.
i also agree that finley would be VERY successful romantically/sexually in this town!
Agree Jacqueline Toboni is hot as hell, but Finley’s personality is totally different than Shane’s and that is my theory as to why she’s not Shane-level in the community.
I feel confident that Finley will reach Shane level with time. I find her insanely attractive …except when she asked Olivia Thirlby to buy her drink 🙃 Mooch
“…as they were supposed to be “slowing down,” a term which means basically nothing and is not expanded upon”
THANK YOU, couples on tv always have these weird expositional fights about the state of their lives/partnerships, but particularly often about whether/how much one partner will work, which always feels super out of touch with the way literally anybody (outside of wealthy people) lives????
yes, this is lingering frustration over tina resigning from her career in season 1 to “prepare her body for pregnancy”
YES. THANK YOU.
Omg yes!! And was she out of work for *seven years* for this purpose, given what Bette days about being sole breadwinner for this long in S2?? What did she do all day? How does this make sense? Do I have the timeline wrong? Aaaaaargh!
Haven’t watched an episode yet but I don’t care: LOVE the recap and the whole discussion. It’s a gift.
The bridesmaids reference made my week! THANK YOU!!!
you’re welcome!!!
Random thoughts
– I hate Drew already. That said, I’d watch a whole show about the Aloce Show
– I like Finley but I understand that in large doses that can be exhausting
– Was that the conclusion that detective Xena Warrior Princess arrived about the S-c-h-e-c-t-e-r case?
– I honestly don’t care about why Bette is running for mayor. I just want Kit to be ok (I don’t think she is..)
YES. THANK YOU.
I didn’t see Finley stopping the sex as an alcohol thing at all. Didn’t people see the part where she was completely thrown off-kilter by Rebecca calling her beautiful? My read is that it triggered her somehow and then things got too real and she had a panic attack. Am I alone? I really love Finley so far.
i mean she says she’s spinning and the next night she says she has to drink less to avoid getting sick with her again, yeah?
Because she was feeling self conscious and scared and was trying to cover it up.
I read it as a panic attack as well. I thought that, combined with her comments about her parents throwing her out and the one about Sophie and Dani both wearing dresses being gross, meant to indicate she has some internalized homophobia stuff going on
oh wow this is… v interesting and fascinating
That’s exactly how I read it too!
Also – that she’s coping with by drinking a lot of alcohol in a way that just feeds into the shame.
It could be both a panic attack and the spins from being drunk! I have panic disorder and alcohol makes panic attacks way more likely for me. I would imagine that all of these things are wrapped up together pretty tightly, given how trauma often plays out.
That’s exactly how I read it–like I feel like she actually has a really complicated relationship with sex and that’s part of the reason she has to be drunk to do it, but something about this hookup triggered her anxiety anyway. She just blamed the alcohol to save face. Because the whole player thing is definitely a front, right? Like she’s actually really uncomfortable with intimacy but hoping if she keeps trying she’ll get over it?
But probably I’m just projecting my own baggage!! Who knows!!
no i think this is a really good point! i feel like in the podcast i talked about this a little bit but didn’t get all the way to where y’all have gotten with it…. there’s a lot of shame around her religious upbringing, being disowned by her parents, feeling a lot of internalized shit around actually having sex with women
I also read it that way. Either a panic attack or some other kind of bad emotional reaction mixed with the alcohol.
but i could also absolutely be pushing my own issues onto finley’s story!!!
So did I, deffo panic attack symptoms. The second she heard ”you’re beautiful” it tipped from ”just” a fuck to something real, and that was it, boom.
I interpreted it in the same way! I was surprised it didn’t occur to other folks. Maybe it’s because I was watching with subtitles – I saw Finley responded to Rebecca saying she was beautiful with “Nah…” and then, spinning out.
ahh yeah we don’t have subtitles on screeners so i’m sure we miss some things!
Same, i read it as them starting some sort of trauma-related storyline for her, internalized homophobia or like sexual violence in her past or something. But also seems like they are making a big deal of her drinking, so hard to tell.
I was only watching while I did chores so kind of missed a bit but I totally thought somehow the kid with the flu got Finley sick with Shane as the vector. 😂 or at least it seemed like that for a few minutes.
My girlfriend and I had that thought too! Our current Finley sex theories are: trauma history, body image or self-esteem issues, intimacy/panic issues, or alcohol issues.
The way the scene was filmed felt panic attack-y to me, but I could 100% be projecting here.
As a recovering alcoholic with a history of panic disorders and weird internalised phobias around sex and issues with taking compliments… Yeah that’s one hundred percent how I read it.
i read it as both finley’s got an alcohol problem and she was uncomfortable/triggered being called beautiful. and just deeply uncomfortable with sex in general, which is contributing to her drinking. the comment actually hit me weird in the moment, maybe i’m alone in this perspective but i assumed it would trigger dysphoria in finley. finley’s not that butch, but is the butchest main character this time around so far, and her experiencing some level of dysphoria wouldn’t surprise me. it actually reminds me of a scene shane had in the original where she and carmen were talking about why she only tops.
I interpret Finn’s comment about the wedding dresses to be more like a joking “ewww, love is GROSS” thing, but it definitely didn’t come across that way at first. But I still find her really funny and relatable, please add me to the fan club.
I appreciate the comparisons of Finley to various dog breeds, because from about 5 minutes into the first episode my wife had determined that Finley is a yellow labrador in human form and makes various dog noises whenever she appears on screen.
ALSO as Shane is very clearly going to buy the bar for the hot bartender couple, I want to know if she’s going to randomly stick a single barber’s chair in there and call it Planet Wax
ALSO could we start getting counts of how many times Bette stares out of a window and then turns and looks over her shoulder, because it feels like this happens multiple times per scene.
ALSO did anyone else think “that’s a really big door” re: Shane’s house
you know what they say about girls with big doors
They have big sex benches?
I hope Planet Wax happens, if only because I really enjoy the guitar noises Carly makes whenever Wax is mentioned in the podcast.
THANK YOU DANIELLE :: guitar riff ::
How many times Bette stares out of a window and then turns and looks over her shoulder
Definitely sounds like a majestic drinking game
Finley: Are you guys both gonna wear like, dresses?
Sophie: Why you gotta say it like that.
Finley: I dunno… I’m grossed out.
I hope they make this line into a learning moment that better supports femme and dress wearing godxesses out there. SO MUCH INTERNALIZED HOMOPHOBIA AND TOXIC MASCULINITY. Not okay no matter who delivers the line.
As a more masc non-binary humanoid, this line left with me feeling bitter and disappointed.
I think it is Tina and not Kit with the opioid issue. Obviously she is not dead, but her addiction lead to their break up. Would explain 1. what happened between Bette and Tina which they haven’t explained yet after two episodes and 2. how the famous Kit Porter could be dead but nobody knows/talks about it being the reason Bette is running for mayor 3. why Bette has full custody of Angie.
I like that idea, but didn’t Bette in episode 1 say I’ll send you to mamma t? Or was it Angie asking to live with her. Also, if Kit was alive wouldn’t Tina want to leverage her star power for votes?
OMG I think you have cracked the case!!
The part I thought weird about Kit suddenly dying via opiate OD, is that she has been surrounded by every sort of substance through her life as a recording artist, being in the scene as she she was.
By Kit’s age, after decades of recreational drug use, people usually have a propensity for what is their “drug of choice” (and especially if we assume she’s tried a lot of them). She never showed interest in opiates before. She has expressed interest in cocaine, and her problem substance was alcohol. I just don’t see it likely for her to develop a post-menopausal opiate addiction out of nowhere…unless she started taking them after some sort of major accident or surgery. 🤔
Lastly, as people mentioned, how could a relatively famous recording artist manage to overdose, in LA, and there he no publicity at all? I don’t think it would be a secret. It would have definitely come up when going over the scandals for the campaign, it would have probably been all over the internet. Honestly, Kit would have had an Instagram/Facebook for her public persona of artist and venue owner and there would certainly be mention of such an untimely end on her social media.
I think it may be Tina too!! How could their possibly be another reason Bette has Angie 24/7 and Tina is…clearly nowhere near LA.
Hono yes that makes sense! It could also explain Bette’s “do you want me to tell Mama T what you did today” which apparently immediately put an end to Angie’s threat that she wanted to go and live with Tina? And I agree that Kit’s death/connection to opioids wouldn’t be a secret in LA.
But ALSO: I feel like Felicity is somehow connected to Bette’s secret or knows about it?
I think you nailed it
it’s not tina
i don’t know if it’s kit or not but i do know that it isn’t tina
also is it annoying when i do this (indicate things i’m aware of because i’ve already seen episode 103) (although to be fair this info is available in other articles about the show) would you guys rather I let you speculate
do i mark this as a spoiler
how do i live
how do any of us live
eta: i feel like probably i should not do this lol
well then, RIP Kit
Riese I am so impressed that you haven’t imploded yet with all the spoilers! But yes it is very fun to speculate, and I for one am not reading anything else about the show except your wonderful recaps, and the reason for that is because I trust you. So please no spoilers because your writing is addictive and I will just laugh at your spoiler warning and read every word and then regret it.
Hard same
ok i will not do the spoilers i promise i promise
speaking as someone without ANY knowledge of ANYTHING happening in 103, hono you have a solid theory ………
So are we supposed to pretend that Bette doesn’t know that the Elizabeth A. Sackler Foundation purchased The Dinner Party and donated it to the Elizabeth A. Sackler Center for Feminist Art at the Brooklyn Museum?
RIGHT?! Thank you for pointing this out.
Just wanted to say I thought you guys were exaggerating about Finley’s bad shorts on the podcast but they were actually pretty bad, which I appreciated because a lot of her clothes are clearly like, from wildfang or whatever, and would be too expensive for someone who can’t afford her own drinks.
Also I loved when Dani made the Bette-looking-at-art face when she was looking at Bette’s art.
I feel like the image on Bette’s phone during the NOT-a-murder-in-the-park-scene where Bette and Felicity touch hands is a clue to Bette’s secret? What is that photo? Could anyone make it out?
I too am here for the inter-generational butch buddy comedy. Shane and Finley living together is giving me such life.
Agreed. I would watch just a show if Shane and Finley being messy and mentoring.
YES THIS
Episode was pretty good, but what were they thinking with that Finley character? If they were trying to make her likable, then they failed. First impressions are important, and I can’t stand her. She’s trying way too hard to be a badass when really she’s ridiculous and not funny at all. Also I know they are trying to make her like a mini Shane but let’s be honest here, there will NEVER be another Shane, so they might as well stop trying.
i like finley!
Maybe Angelenos just immediately understand Finley better? Who of us doesn’t have a Finley in our lives? Bright, happy, slightly blazed covering up layers of undisclosed trauma and alienation which led them to leave their Red State/ small town and move to The City of Angels and Dreams. Usually with a side of addiction/alcohol dependence and messy drama. I predict that Finley will go through the LA “I’m detoxing and getting my life together!” phase too with some meditation/yoga/retreat, juice fasting and giving up alcohol/cigarettes only to relapse into despair
Some of us are a Finley. Some of us date a Finley.
I love her! I don’t think we’re supposed to see her as a mini Shane, more a good-natured lovable fuck up.
Pressing question for our good friends at Showtime, how soon before Alice mentions Autostraddle on the Aloce show?
Finley being described as a King Charles Spaniel made me laugh so hard I scared the cats.
anyone else notice that post Judy Chicago moment, Bette & Dani are both wearing dark blue and pink but on opposite ends. So Bette’s shirt is pink and match Dani’s pants which r also pink. And the pink & blue are actually a visual reference to the Judy Chicago painting? And they’re wearing the same shoes in that scene.
ps Natalice have 0 chemistry. 🥚
yesss i mentioned it in the recap!
“Clearly he has not done the math regarding how much free morning time L Word Lesbians have. These ladies can wake up, have morning sex, shower, don trendy apparel, do full hair and makeup, drive to The Planet, find parking, drink coffee, process somebody’s entire breakup, say something passive-aggressive, definitely leave whatever food they ordered at the table and make it all the way to work in Canada by 9am.”
I love this and this entire recap so much!
I’m mostly enjoying this reboot/sequel/whatever, but even if I wasn’t, the recaps would make up for it (tho tbh I wouldn’t be mad if the junior mint thing got retired). It’s just so NICE to have so many queer people on my screen at once, it makes me feel fuzzy. Also here for all the jumpsuits. I dunno what Jordi’s whole deal will be but I hope they have time to explore it. And just get Alice away from those kids since they make her so miserable.
Please help me out here- why do you call it The Aloce Show? Thanks!
b/c the “I” looks like an “O” in the logo
Can someone tell me the name of the poem that was read at the engagement party please?
http://www.alixolson.com/
Source: https://develop.autostraddle.com/to-l-and-back-l-word-generation-q-podcast-episode-102-less-is-more/
Episode wasn’t as good (though still real good!) as last week’s, but I think this recap was somehow even better? Loved it. Laughed lots. Lived better.
In an interview, Jennifer Beals expressed a desire to see Pam Grier return to the show and to work with her again, so there’s a glimmer of hope that Kit is still alive!
Another excellent recap!
After this episode I really like Finley now. I thought her acting was a wee bit forced in the first episode, but this episode had me laughing a lot. Finley is endearing.
I realllly don’t want bartender (forget her name?) to cheat on Tess with Shane. Especially annoyed because they have great chemistry so I for sure want them to get it on at least once but I do NOT want that to be because Tess is getting cheated on! Unless that would mean Tess and Alice somehow get together – that would be freaking adorable! I just want everything beautiful and magical for Jamie Clayton (fully intending to love Tess like I love JC). Thankfully if it doesn’t happen here I can always rewatch the sheer magic that was Nomi/Amanita in Sense8.
the corset